hast du da inzwischen was rausgefunden?Inwieweit sich die Base rauchen lässt (ohne direkt zu zerfallen) versuch ich noch rauszubekommen.
4-HO substituierte tryptamine sind doch nicht hitzefest...?ohn hat geschrieben:hast du da inzwischen was rausgefunden?Inwieweit sich die Base rauchen lässt (ohne direkt zu zerfallen) versuch ich noch rauszubekommen.
die n,n ähnlichkeit sollte sich ja auch bei dieser konsummethode einstellen
link bitte!n19 hat geschrieben:4-aco-det freebase geraucht soll lt. Erowid ja auch funktionieren.
im nächsten abschnitt steht das vom "pyrolysieren".n19 hat geschrieben:jetzt beim einfügen fällt mir gerade auf, dass er DET geraucht hat, und kein 4-aco-det!! Sorry, da war ich zu hastig!
noch weiter unten ist noch ein bericht zum verdampfen von 4-AcO-DET, der dann wieder weniger vielversprechend klingt:So, some three weeks later, I pyrolyzed ~15 mg (actually 14 mg or less), which I had heard was an effective and potent dosage for this method. Pouring the carefully measured 15 mg from the capsule onto a bed of herbal material, it was covered with some more herb material to make enough for one good inhalation, which was then ignited and inhaled. Within seconds the familiar "DET rush" began, but this was much stronger and different than the oral dose. Almost immediately the DET threshold was somewhere in the far distant past; this was an immediate and extreme electric meltdown. Space became filled with floating luminous transparent brightly colored spheres that drifted randomly as if under the sea, and was shot through with multicolored flashes of ephemeral lightning. I was still visually in the same room from which I started, unlike some other tryps. I was indeed in a space similar to that experienced after ingesting a large amount of psilocybian mushrooms. This was quite a surprise. I had been expecting a nice, quiet, calm evening of DET and instead got suddenly and unexpectedly whirled into the center of a psilocybian maelstrom. Oh well, nothing to do now but sit back and enjoy it. For the first 45 minutes there was somewhat of a problem due to the immense amount of energy I had to channel, and for which I was unprepared. I was not expecting this intense a trip, but rather one similar to DET, which is much more like that period of time after the peak of an entheogenic experience. I have some nerve damage due to an automobile accident some years ago, which manifests as leg twitching during the peak portion of the most potent of entheogenic experiences.
My first experience with 4-acetoxy-DET was a bust. Having heard that 20 mg was active when smoked, I tried it with a friend. Unfortunately, we didn't have a pipe handy, so I poured two piles of the stuff directly onto the electric range, and we rolled up some paper straws. After it liquefied and began to vaporize, I realized that we had made a mistake making two piles, since--when we each took a break after the first hit (to breath some air)--the vapor was still rising and drifting off without being consumed. I probably got 5–10 mg, and then I was hit with the overpowering need to immediately vomit. I turned towards the sink and blew chunks (my recently-consumed roadside taco-stand lunch). Meanwhile, my friend kept at sucking up the vapors from both piles. He probably got about a 20–30 mg dose, although it is pretty hard to say for sure what either of us got. The only effect I experienced was a slight enhancement of color. My friend said that it hit him like a ton of bricks--similar to DMT. He felt as though he were fully-immersed in a 3 gram mushroom trip, and he had to sit down. However, his effects rapidly wore down to about 1 gram of mushrooms.
I had heard from one individual who tried smoking 15 mg, and then later 20 mg, who had little to no effect from both attempts. He was surprised and perhaps skeptical to learn from me that I had heard that 18 mg was a reasonably-active oral dose. I get the feeling that the smoked dose may be more variable, and it could be harder to hit the nail on the head. It is possible that the heat breaks down the activity. Certainly, if I ever smoked it again, I would do so on an empty stomach (since I have never before had such an immediate need to vomit). Orally, however, this compound was another story…
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